Shane Gillis, SNL and "It's Just a Joke": Why That's Not a Defense

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Maybe he needs to stop freebasing Joe Rogan's cradle cap and just go away for

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a while because like, what the fuck, man?

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If you are a woman and you want to make men leave you alone at the gym,

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apparently the way to do it is to wear the short shorts, wear the neon short

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shorts, add them to cart right now,

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We are so super done with dudes that look like bloated thumbs, making comments

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about how women are allowed to exist.

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Shane Gillis has the look and charisma of a wooden spoon, but the wooden

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spoon has contributed to society.

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If I had known that the way to tell guys like Shane Gillis to fuck

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off was to just wear bike shorts, I would've bought them earlier.

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Shane Gillis looks like his sweat glands deserve hazard pay.

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Shane Gillis looks like pitting edema.

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Not that he has pitting edema.

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He is pitting edema.

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I don't have 10, but I can come up with them.

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Uh, I can come up with five more, but I will.

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Dude, getting sued by David Letterman would be an honor.

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I'd be so excited if I did something viral enough that David Letterman

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was like, you're stealing my IP.

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I would be like, okay, but can I touch your beard?

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Looks so scratchy.

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It's like a great beard, but also not a good beard at all.

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It's, I have a lot of thoughts about his facial hair.

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I need to ask something of the universe in a big way.

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And that is, can we please stop trying to make Shane Gillis happen?

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Just please, it's not gonna happen.

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I understand that in some ways it may have already happened, but that was

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a gross overestimation of his talent.

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Please give us this one thing.

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We already have a presidential administration full of jackasses

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and morons and pedophiles.

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Can we not have our airways filled with the Stay Puft

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Marshmallow Man with a microphone?

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Like, can we not, can we not have like somebody like Shane

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Gillis who, who isn't just white?

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Is it possible that he's allergic to melanin?

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Because like, I'm, I'm white, I'm super white, I'm very, very white and

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he makes me look like I just spent the weekend on a Caribbean beach.

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So like, bro is missing some things, some of which are brain cells,

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some of which are other things.

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But I don't know if you're aware of the discourse that is happening

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right now around consent and what constitutes rape and how consent

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can be revoked at any time.

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And nothing a woman ever does justifies rape.

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The only person who is responsible for rape is the rapist.

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Like those are conversations that we were having big and out loud right now,

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if you want my opinion on the Cornell 7, there was an episode about

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it, like there's this very, and this public discourse should be happening.

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Actually, I take that back.

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Public discourse shouldn't be happening because there should be

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no question that rape is bad, right?

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There should be no question.

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There should be no question that no matter what a woman wears, she

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was not asking to be assaulted.

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If you, if you make the statement that women should change their clothing

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so they don't get assaulted, you are making the statement that assault is the

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understood byproduct of being a woman.

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And that's not true.

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That's not true.

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So while this public discourse is happening, or anytime, this was bad

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anytime, but like especially a bad look if you're so out of touch that

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you're not like, oh, maybe this is a stupid time to say this thing to

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go on SNL and call all women whores, or all women at the gym whores.

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When did all women start dressing like whores?

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I mean, maybe, maybe the question is why haven't you been to a gym in that long?

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I mean, we know you haven't been to a gym in that long.

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Let's be honest.

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We have eyes, but why are all women dressed

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like whores?

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okay?

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So couple of questions there.

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Let's, let's like go back to the baseline assumption that you're a comedian and then

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therefore you're supposed to be funny.

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And calling women horses is funny?

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I'm not, I'm not sure about that.

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And then on top of that, well, actually, the thing that makes me laugh the

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most about the whole situation is that I keep seeing articles that say

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like, Shane Gillis not banned from SNL or something like that, thinking

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that they're gonna be like, we can't have this guy on anymore because his

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monologue was offensive and misogynistic.

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Right?

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No, they're saying it because apparently later in the show,

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I didn't watch the show.

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I saw the clip of him being disgusting, which, by the way, every

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clip of him is him being disgusting.

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But I saw the particular clip of him being disgusting, and I

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was like, that's enough for me.

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I don't need to watch this anymore.

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But apparently later in the show, he said, the fuck word.

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And that is why people are saying he didn't get banned.

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Lorne Michaels isn't gonna ban him.

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Do we remember his origin story with SNL that he made really inappropriate jokes

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And he lost his job on SNL.

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He hadn't even started yet.

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He got fired before he started because of the things that he had said.

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And now they bring him back annually to do the thing that he got fired for.

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Hmm, that makes, that makes a whole lot of sense.

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If you have the charisma of a wooden spoon without the usefulness, I

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don't think we need your monologue.

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If your whole bit is about how you're fat and unattractive and you think that

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gives you the right to punch down, I don't even know if he's punching down

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him making fun of women is kind of punching up, but like, you know, weird

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twisted, what the fuck are you doing way. You don't get to call all women whores.

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You just don't, it was not only stupid in the frame of current public

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discourse, but it was just stupid.

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I could think of a thousand ways to tell that joke.

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That would still be funny.

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Like, I can think of maybe more than a thousand ways where you could tell

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the joke, make fun of the shorts, and not reduce every woman to a really,

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really nasty word that indicates that you think of their value as not only

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less than yours, but like non-existent.

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It was degrading, it was disgusting.

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And, and from him, somebody that has like, that has no rebuttal.

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What is he gonna say?

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I am a, I'm a, a white man.

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There's, there's nothing that he could say to make it better

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other than this is just comedy.

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Okay.

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But comedy is supposed to be funny.

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And like I can come up with a, like, I've heard jokes before that are

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offensive to me that I still understand are funny or are funny to other people.

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There is comedy that is not for me, meaning I don't enjoy it,

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but I understand why it's funny.

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This wasn't funny.

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This was classifying 50% of the population as a literal slur.

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And I, I don't understand why he keeps getting work, and I certainly

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don't understand why he gets one of the biggest Saturday night

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stages in the world once a year.

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Somebody said that he sells out his shows or he sells out auditoriums, and

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that's why they want him on every year.

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And it's like, okay, so there are a bunch of boring old white dudes

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who are misogynists. Congratulations.

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We'll put that on the list of things that are deeply shocking.

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Oh wait, there's literally a guy running our country, supposedly, depending

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on your definition of competence, but like running our country, whose name

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is in this big stack of documents thousands of times because he's a

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misogynist and a rapist and a pedophile.

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And we're gonna like, give the runway to somebody who just brings that

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even more into the public discourse.

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I don't know.

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I don't think so.

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I think that guy needs to get bent and get bent hard in case you were

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wondering how strongly I feel about that.

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But the other thing is, so not only, not only is he like, being edgy for the sake

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of being edgy because he wants to get a reaction out of people, which he did.

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So I guess he accomplished his goal.

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Then he like name drops two of the most reprehensible people on the

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planet to show that he has friends.

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You, you have friends who also suck.

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Oh, okay.

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That helps.

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So like maybe he needs to stop freebasing Joe Rogan's cradle

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cap and just go away for a while because like, what the fuck, man?

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Like he used his monologue to show everybody that he's besties with the

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world's most disgusting podcaster.

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Who, by the way, I use as my motivation every week to keep showing up here

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on the days where I'm like, I don't know if I should keep doing this.

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I don't know if anybody needs to hear me.

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And then I think about the fact that people literally voluntarily listen

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to Joe Rogan every week, however many times a week he publishes.

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Like people show up looking for the things he says as if

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they're valuable in some way.

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This guy just figured out that vaccines are good.

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After everything that he did to damage vaccine science, not vaccine science,

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but like the vaccine discourse.

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He figures out things that everybody knew all along and he wants to deliver

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the news to you that we knew already as if he stupid, balding white man came up

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with something that the rest of the world with an IQ above 75 didn't already know.

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This is sad.

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It's, it's just sad.

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And we need to stop giving these men our airwaves.

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And if you are a woman and you want to make men leave you alone at the gym,

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apparently the way to do it is to wear the short shorts, wear the neon short

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shorts, add them to cart right now, because then you're undesirable to them.

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And I can't think of something more interesting to me than being

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undesirable to Shane Gillis.

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Let's go be undesirable.

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Let's, let's wear shorter shorts.

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That guy can get fucked or probably can't, probably can't, but we're done

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with, we're done with dudes like that.

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We are so super done with dudes that look like bloated thumbs, making comments

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about how women are allowed to exist.

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We will exist however the fuck we want because we don't do it

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for your gaze, and we never have.

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And I'm sorry that that's hard for you, but maybe if you suck

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less, we'll come around, we won't.

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But use that as your incentive to see what happens.

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And in the event that you don't understand quite why this is as offensive and as

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abhorrent as the women in your life seem to think it's because every,

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every abusive man has said it's just a joke to gaslight a woman about

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this scary or degrading thing that he just said that he got in trouble for.

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Like every single abuser has done that at some point.

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So saying something that is so grossly offensive and then expecting

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everybody to just be like, it's fine.

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'cause it's joke.

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That's an abuse tactic.

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That's what people like that do.

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Every single person who has been on the receiving end of, of narcissistic

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or relationship abuse has had someone dismissed something awful and

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underhanded or, or out of hand that they've said as it's just a joke.

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Why are you overreacting?

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You're not overreacting.

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You are reacting to the fact that somebody just said something shitty.

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And that is the, the large-scale institutionalization of that.

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It's comedy.

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It's just a joke.

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You're overreacting.

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No, you said something to get a reaction.

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You didn't get the reaction that you wanted.

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And now it's just a joke.

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All right, we have a question from Bridget.

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Uh, she says, "I have six 'can I pick your brain' coffee invites this month. How

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can I say no without being the villain?"

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Uh, the only people who take issue with your boundaries are the people

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who benefited from you not having them.

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So you saying no to something that takes up your time and doesn't feed

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you in any way, uh, is not being the villain, it's having a boundary.

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And if somebody thinks you're the villain for them, you don't want to

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give them your brain droppings anyway.

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So there's this idea, I think we feel like, especially as women, like

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we have to be nice to everybody, we have to give everybody our time.

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And I say this as a person who gives people my time freely all the time.

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And I've been told I do it too much, and I don't say that as a criticism

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toward you by any means, because that's my boundary and you can have your own.

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But I have found in my business that if I give my time freely, it comes

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back to me in a number of ways.

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Even people who aren't in my field have sent me referrals because I was supportive

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and helpful in a time that they needed it.

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Now, have I done it 100% of the time?

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No.

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Are there people who I feel like are using me for information that they're

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then either gonna go misuse or, like, you know, waste my time taking?

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Yeah.

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There have been times where I've said no 'cause I just don't feel like I'm the

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person that needs to help that person.

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But there have also been a ton of times… I'll give you an example.

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I just went to this, uh, customer conference a little while ago from

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a platform that I'm, uh, involved with, and while I was there, I was

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talking to this woman, and, and most of the things that I do, 99% of the

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things that I do are virtual, so we're either on Zoom or we're on the phone,

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and sometimes we switch to phone.

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And I'm horrible with names, like horrific with names, so there's

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a really good chance that I could have talked to you a long time ago

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and completely forgotten your name.

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Not forgotten the conversation, remember everything about the conversation,

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but just not remember your name 'cause I'm just really bad with names.

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And so, we were at this conference, and we we were just talking about

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the fact that there's some overlap in our fields, and she was telling me

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about some of her clients, and I was telling her about some of my clients.

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And then, uh, I looked down at her name tag and she looked at

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mine and she was like, "Wait a minute, we've, we've talked."

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And I was like, "Have we?" And she said, "Yeah, when I was just starting

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my business, I asked you for… if you wouldn't mind talking to me."

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And we went back and forth by email a bunch, and then I think we ended

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up talking on the phone one time.

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She was like, "You were super helpful." And I was like, "Oh, cool.

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I'm glad that I could do that for you."

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And now she's, like, now since we reconnected, she's sent me a

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bunch of business even though we basically work in the same field.

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We work in, like, we work in, like, different corners of the same field,

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so it's, there's not that much overlap.

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But she sent me a bunch of business even though I took the call forever ago

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thinking that nothing would come of it, because nothing needed to come of it.

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But that's how I choose to build my business, and is not

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a criticism of how you build yours or how you run your career.

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The only thing to that that I will say, and this again is not to be a

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criticism of you or the way you do things, is that the point of getting

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ahead is to bring people with you.

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You lift while you climb.

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So if you're moving ahead, you need to be reaching back and

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grabbing whoever's behind you.

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That doesn't mean it needs to be a full-time job.

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It doesn't mean you have to do it for every single person who walks along.

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But there are going to be people in your career who need you as an example

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of how to do things right, how to do things ethically, how to do things

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the smart way, any number of things.

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And we need to be helping them.

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Again, that doesn't mean that you give them your last waking minute or that

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you do it to your own detriment or that you lose money doing it or whatever.

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But as, I can't even believe I can say this, but as now the adults

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in the room, which is ridiculous, there's, there's a bunch of people

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behind us who have never seen business done the way that we're gonna

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do it or the way that we do it.

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There's people in front of us, too, but… And, and they need a, they need a primer.

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So however you do that, there's no right or wrong way to… Well, there's

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probably a wrong way to do it, but there, there's no one right way to do it.

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But we need to be bringing

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people up with us.

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But also saying that you are never a villain for having boundaries,

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and anybody who thinks you are was benefiting from you not having them,

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and you don't need that person around.

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I was on a work call not that long ago, actually no,

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it was before a work call.

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Somebody asked me if I could put something together for a project we

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were working on, but it, like, we had to encrypt all of it and part

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of it was putting a password on it.

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Um, and for some reason the passwords had to be numeric, so I did it

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and then I put the password on it and sent it to everybody and somebody

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Slacked me in a group Slack and said, Hey, can I have the password for it?

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And I wasn't gonna give her the password in the group Slack.

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And so I said, it's 867-5309.

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Then just like, didn't think about it again.

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And she didn't ask me, for Oh haha, the actual password.

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So I was like, I didn't think about it.

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I just said a smart-ass thing and moved on.

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So then we all had a call together, like, I don't know, an hour later and

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she gets on the call and she's like, Hey, I tried that code and it didn't work.

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And I sort of calculated her age in my head and I was like, oh no.

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And I said to the other person, I said to the other person on the call and I

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was like, is it, is it possible that she does not get the 867-5309 reference?

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And the other person on the call was like, it is, it is actually very possible.

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She is.

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She is a youth.